Glue (Fray Check), weaving ends, and to knot or not?
Posted 28 April 2005 - 02:27 PM
I was at the craft/fabric section in Walmart and asked the fabric-cutter-lady about it and she was shocked and got all snippy with me (-"We don't glue yarn ends we crochet over them!").
So anyway, I just wanted to know...am I imagining reading about this?!
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Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:40 PM
And I wonder if she even crochets??
Posted 28 April 2005 - 03:50 PM
I usually just weave in the tails or crochet over the tails when using yarn. I have never had a problem with them coming unraveled.
Everyone has their own way of doing things. Do whatever makes you feel comfortable.
Posted 28 April 2005 - 05:11 PM
Posted 29 April 2005 - 01:09 PM
I ALWAYS knot my yarn, weaving in a tail.
I guess I wasn't very clear. LOL My way is just the opposite. I do knot the yarn before I start weaving the tail, but the extra knot is at the very end of the tail, just before you would cut it off. The small knot pulls back into the work and catches (hopefully) in the stitches.
Posted 29 April 2005 - 02:35 PM
Posted 29 April 2005 - 02:40 PM
I'm sorry to hijack the post, but are we not supposed to knot our yarn? How do we keep the ends from coming out? I don't trust just weaving in, and I've always knotted my yarn. I know you're supposed to change colors or join in with a new skein in a seam or the end of a row, but I didn't know you weren't supposed to knot the yarn.
Do what works for you!
On some fabrics, if you knot the yarn, it's really noticable (laceweight, fingering weight, plain patterns mostly).
When I change colors or join, I basically use the join as the knot, I don't knot the ends together. Then I weave in.
I mean, my stitches basically knot the two together. If I work half of a stitch with the existing yarn and then join the new yarn and work the other half with that one, I'm basically using my stitch pattern to knot the yarn together. Then I weave the ends in and even if the ends come unwoven somehow, the yarn doesn't come apart because the stitch is holding them together.
Posted 29 April 2005 - 03:50 PM
I think perhaps I make awful knots and that they're easy to see or I'm no good at hiding them or something because my joins + weave-ins look better than my knots.
Posted 29 April 2005 - 03:55 PM
Posted 29 April 2005 - 05:44 PM
Posted 29 April 2005 - 07:19 PM
That's not to say don't knot. I agree, do what works!
Posted 29 April 2005 - 08:10 PM
From the Crochet Guild of America web site:
CGOA: Teaching A Child to Crochet: Objectives
Joining a New Yarn and Finishing Off Ends
Objective: To introduce to students the proper procedure for joining a new yarn and finishing off ends.
Demonstrate joining a new yarn at the edge of work. Discuss leaving the yarn ends hanging to weave in later and why you NEVER tie a knot. Discuss using yarn needles and finishing off only one yarn end at a time. Discuss how to properly fasten crochet off. Show a sample of a striped fabric. Talk about using color and stripes to create a design.
Posted 29 April 2005 - 10:22 PM
Interestingly, joining and stripes was one of my first projects as an adult. I didn't look up how to join a new color: I just did it. Knotting never came to mind as an option; I thought the best way would be to incorporate the join into the regular stitch, so that's what I did. It wasn't until much later that I read that that actually was the "proper" way to do it.
I personally feel like knots are less secure, not more secure. I hate it when I get a skein/hank of yarn and there's a knot smack in the middle of it. I cut it out and rejoin.
All that said, I do think everyone should do what works best for them.
Posted 30 April 2005 - 08:05 AM
Posted 30 April 2005 - 09:21 AM
The only reason somebody is going to win a competition with knots in their work is because the judge didn't find them. (Some judges are better than others, as is the case with everything in life.)
This thread has some good discussion of how to weave ends securely. And in it SamplerLady says:
If you are going to enter any of your work in competitions do not tie knots. If the judge can find them, your work will loose so many points it might as well be eliminated from the competition.
Posted 30 April 2005 - 09:26 AM
I found this in one of my 1990 magazines. So I guess some things do say you can knot.
Just my opinion, I don't want to argue about it and every one has their own way of doing things.
As for glueing, no I don't but who knows what future project I might want to do it on. It sounds like a good idea for some people though.
Posted 30 April 2005 - 10:54 AM
The main reason I do not knot (and yes, I have tried it) is that I find that although the knot itself ususally stays tied, the yarn right next to the knot tends to work loose, pulling out from the work, creating loopy bits that will stick out. Depending on how the rest of the ends have been worked in, the knot itself may pop out of the work.
Thus I find knots to be very much less secure than not knotting. Ends that are worked in well are much more secure than knotted ends. And if you knot and then work in the ends securely, then you'll likely encounter the issue of the loopy bits and/or the knot popping out, with no way to rework in the ends to try to hide the knot again, because they've already been worked in securely.